tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post4679323270950294355..comments2024-03-28T09:22:36.967+13:00Comments on Offsetting Behaviour: Auckland Maori seats: good idea? [updated]Eric Cramptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-38860203017527875972009-08-24T21:33:42.769+12:002009-08-24T21:33:42.769+12:00try this ...
Yeah, that's why I don't beli...try this ...<br />Yeah, that's why I don't believe majority-minority districts will provide substantive (ie: fair, but not necessarily effective) representation for minorities like Maori in New Zealand. Maori representatives under MMP are more likely to have a substantive influence through geographically superimposed constituencies like the Maori electorates as empowerment is more likely to be maximised - even without an overhang, I would have thought. I can't think of a better system that has the potential to substantively and democratically assist Maori than overlapping districts like we have with the Maori seats.<br /><br />Can you?Swimminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913329810121951824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-79262141073209535242009-08-24T21:31:14.701+12:002009-08-24T21:31:14.701+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Swimminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913329810121951824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-4941080331782268832009-08-24T13:35:35.034+12:002009-08-24T13:35:35.034+12:00@BigNews:
- Under MMP, Maori seats make it easier ...@BigNews:<br />- Under MMP, Maori seats make it easier for the Maori Party to enter Parliament under the "5% or one seat" threshold. True that other parties can benefit from overhang; it's just less likely for other parties.<br />- With PR, the Maori electorate seats can't have the same effect as found in the US with majority-minority districts.<br />- Under FPP, whether separate electoral seats help or hurt Maori interests depends critically on the geographic distribution of voters. That's the Shotts result, linked-to above. To reiterate: if the Republicans had run the ex ante gerrymander, majority-minority requirements hurt Republicans; if the Democrats had run the ex ante gerrymander, the requirements hurt Democrats. In other words, the ruling party has designed the district boundaries to maximially benefit their own interests and an additional constraint has to move them away from their first best. To translate that to New Zealand: if the population distribution would have most Maori clustered within a few electorates anyway, having explicit Maori seats will have little effect. But if Maori are geographically dispersed but at least somewhat important in a fair number of electorates, packing them into a small set of Maori electorates means more Maori in Parliament but less influence.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-31598138108338295202009-08-24T13:00:10.901+12:002009-08-24T13:00:10.901+12:00Does having these kinds of overlapping districts h...<i>Does having these kinds of overlapping districts help Maori? I suspect not much under proportional representation </i><br /><br />And FPP. They help Maori quite a bit. Without them there may well not be a Treaty of Waitangi Act nor a Foreshore and Seabed review etc. They are a start to effective Maori representation - chosen by Maori, elected by Maori for Maori. Of course the Maori Electoral Option has a part to play in how many seats there are, not the number of Maori voters in an electoral district. Hangover is not restricted to Maori districts -you probably know that but your readers may not.Swimminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913329810121951824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-57030638911549101562009-08-24T12:21:40.803+12:002009-08-24T12:21:40.803+12:00@Sam: please send me the PDF. Thanks!!@Sam: please send me the PDF. Thanks!!Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-62559950825323652242009-08-24T11:35:34.280+12:002009-08-24T11:35:34.280+12:00Hi Eric,
On Tiebout competition, I think you woul...Hi Eric,<br /><br />On Tiebout competition, I think you would find this paper by Sir Roger Douglas particularly interesting. In it, he advocates allowing those on the fringes of Councils to defect to adjoining ones, and also allows for more spontaneous Council organisation.<br /><br />It is available (although poorly formatted) here: http://betterdemocracynz.blogspot.com/2009/07/sir-roger-douglas-on-supercity.html<br /><br />I can send it as a pdf if you are interested.Samuel Konkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00821513835134996401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-4451728792044050692009-08-21T16:45:45.755+12:002009-08-21T16:45:45.755+12:00Apologies; now corrected.
Of course, now you can ...Apologies; now corrected.<br /><br />Of course, now you can tell me why you're unconvinced that Tiebout matters. I ain't saying it's strong enough to overturn prior results, just that it's a cost that sure hasn't been factored in.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-76748425998966133302009-08-21T15:15:53.368+12:002009-08-21T15:15:53.368+12:00"I may have convinced Matt Nolan that this is..."I may have convinced Matt Nolan that this is worth worrying about"<br /><br />Hi Eric,<br /><br />That post was by Rauparaha - I wasn't involved.Matt Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05615455113796090765noreply@blogger.com