tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post6291014871407538900..comments2024-03-28T09:22:36.967+13:00Comments on Offsetting Behaviour: The UK is weirdEric Cramptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-21413340168566760522010-05-26T09:49:40.088+12:002010-05-26T09:49:40.088+12:00@Ed: Sounds like no fun at all for your friend, bu...@Ed: Sounds like no fun at all for your friend, but I can't see how ASBO would help: if the woman next door is being quiet about things and it's her customers who are causing problems, I can't see how the ASBO would work. In the UK case, the woman was said to be personally annoying, hence the ASBO.<br /><br />Sounds like a good case for discrete signage on SOOBs though to avoid that kind of confusion.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-69563524471859961792010-05-26T09:11:43.515+12:002010-05-26T09:11:43.515+12:00Local brothels are often a significant problem for...Local brothels are often a significant problem for neighbours, and frankly I'd favour having some better way to get rid of them. One was established next door to a good friends place. They started getting a number of (often drunk) men calling to their front door at all hours (like 2 am, 3 am, etc) knocking loudly and often being very difficult to get to leave. Next week during the day when the 14 year old daughter happened to answer the door, the pundit on the step proclaimed loudly words to the effect "Wow, I'll take you..." and attempted to grapple with her. And the police don't try too hard, they think your just trying to get them to move the brothel on and they can't/won't.<br /><br />A great idea this, mixing brothels with family neighbourhoods. Luckily the house was rented, and the rental agreement had a clause forbidding running a business from it, but it was unpleasant while it lasted. So you might get some support for that sort of ASBO in NZ.Ed Snacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-40181601095744398972010-05-25T19:01:16.192+12:002010-05-25T19:01:16.192+12:00I believe that one of the big concerns with ASBOs ...I believe that one of the big concerns with ASBOs is that the punitive options available for breaching the ASBO (up to 5 years in jail) can far outstrip whatever (if any) punitive options were available for the original 'offence'. Yes, you too can get a criminal record for being slightly annoying! I think it's one of those "it sounded really good in the pub at 2am" ideas, but the implementation and enforcement is fraught with issues. Sledgehammer vs nut anyone?Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-66151972342994910542010-05-25T14:03:40.154+12:002010-05-25T14:03:40.154+12:00@Lats: Easy to see how ASBOs seem appealing though...@Lats: Easy to see how ASBOs seem appealing though to suburban voters, and we can even imagine cases where they might be useful. And reports have it that ASBOs are indeed a badge of honour among some youths.<br /><br />@Seamus: I'd forgotten that one, thanks!<br /><br />@Robin: The Lib Dems have made promising noises on other margins; we'll see what if anything they do here.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-32912520623312306642010-05-25T13:51:29.641+12:002010-05-25T13:51:29.641+12:00Wow, that is amazing. Shows how easy it is to for...Wow, that is amazing. Shows how easy it is to forget that it is a big diverse world.Robin Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18396528456436940972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-84821105646920969982010-05-25T13:48:53.487+12:002010-05-25T13:48:53.487+12:00Eric, I'm surprised you didn't link to thi...Eric, I'm surprised you didn't link to this story from last year: <br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6531852/Woman-claims-order-banning-her-from-noisy-sex-is-breach-of-human-rights.htmlSeamus Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06752338906486087395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-57324064073433384422010-05-25T13:42:59.322+12:002010-05-25T13:42:59.322+12:00"The UK is weird"
One of the most accur..."The UK is weird"<br /><br />One of the most accurate titles I've ever read ;)Matt Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05615455113796090765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-84925238556073103932010-05-25T13:36:31.928+12:002010-05-25T13:36:31.928+12:00ASBO seems like it could be quite expensive and tr...ASBO seems like it could be quite expensive and troublesome to administer. When does slightly annoying but tolerable behaviour become anti-social? <br />I can think of a few people in NZ that annoy me sufficiently, but slapping a court order on Hone Harawira, for example, would seem to be a bit of a violation of his freedom of speech. And probably futile anyway, I doubt he'd respect it. <br />I expect a rash of civil disobedience in the UK from ASBO recipients, and can also imagine certain people wearing their ASBO as a badge of honour, and even competing to come up with the most outrageous reason for getting one.<br />It'll be interesting to see what develops over in blighty.Latsnoreply@blogger.com