tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post1219265367935525423..comments2024-03-28T09:22:36.967+13:00Comments on Offsetting Behaviour: A tweak for road user chargesEric Cramptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-87363264984657197702015-05-21T21:44:45.609+12:002015-05-21T21:44:45.609+12:00I saw figures a while ago, and from memory, about ...I saw figures a while ago, and from memory, about half of diesel is used off the public roads*. It seems like it's much simpler for cars to go through RUC than to have to run that sort of exemption system. There's an exemption system for petrol (only a tiny fraction of which is used off-road) and it's a diabolical nightmare unless you're using vast quantities. Whereas RUC is no more complicated than car registration itself.<br /><br /><br />(* that includes rail and maritime use)Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-58391697163796310962015-05-20T11:47:22.505+12:002015-05-20T11:47:22.505+12:00Pretty much. Except that it operates as pre-pay, s...Pretty much. Except that it operates as pre-pay, so that you need to top up whenever you use up your current lot of kilometres. Making it backward looking, to be paid once a year on re-doing rego (or on transfer of title), would make the system a bit more seamless, without changing anything serious.Seamus Hogannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-21682805020537421702015-05-20T10:18:29.892+12:002015-05-20T10:18:29.892+12:00So it's then part of the process you'd be ...So it's then part of the process you'd be going through anyway when re-upping your rego?Eric Cramptonhttp://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-8879127313702360742015-05-19T12:08:35.923+12:002015-05-19T12:08:35.923+12:00I'd guess the politics at stake here as well, ...I'd guess the politics at stake here as well, slugging a smallish portion of the electorate is much easier than slugging virtually all of it. Turns out that people who drive also voteRyan Reynoldsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-64827753248133548082015-05-19T11:38:50.222+12:002015-05-19T11:38:50.222+12:00I have a diesel car. Paying the RUC is trivial. Wh...I have a diesel car. Paying the RUC is trivial. Whenever you find your mileage has gone near the current limit, you go on the NZTA website, put in your rego, and the site offers you the next 5,000 km based on what it remembers as being the limit you bought to last time. Pay by remembered credit card, it gets posted to your remembered address. 2 minutes and you're done.Seamus Hogannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-27935002786463908172015-05-19T10:46:56.473+12:002015-05-19T10:46:56.473+12:00I have absolutely zero knowledge of whether the cu...I have absolutely zero knowledge of whether the current RUC-by-weight scheme has the appropriate gradient. I'd expected it did, but I've never looked at it. Specify that I prefer that RUCs have the appropriate gradient that charges trucks by the marginal cost they impose on roads.Eric Cramptonhttp://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-5598574108352866932015-05-19T02:31:01.128+12:002015-05-19T02:31:01.128+12:00You'd maintain the existing link between vehic...You'd maintain the existing link between vehicle weight and road user charges. Given that road user charges are structured to deliver enormous subsidies to heavy vehicles, whether this is appropriate is a separate question.Finnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-29564060125107876152015-05-18T13:24:28.077+12:002015-05-18T13:24:28.077+12:00It's probably something that is in its sunset ...It's probably something that is in its sunset days in terms of a meaningful hassle. GPS deployed by companies like NZX listed EROAD have essentially solved this for commercial operators, and presumably smaller vehicles will get a similar solution in the near future.<br />Still more hassle than taxing at the pump, but not by miles. Also has the potential to sort electric vehicle free riding.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-87347537926845191802015-05-18T09:55:32.032+12:002015-05-18T09:55:32.032+12:00I understood that one of the reasons for the excis...I understood that one of the reasons for the excise being collected differently on diesel was that a significant amount of it was used by non road going vehicles, heating, industry etc and that charging the road users was a more efficient process than having non road users claim rebates.Stunoreply@blogger.com