tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post1521316159215906182..comments2024-03-28T09:22:36.967+13:00Comments on Offsetting Behaviour: Base rates and piracyEric Cramptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-36532157713577973922012-03-21T21:00:55.766+13:002012-03-21T21:00:55.766+13:00Sorry, Peter; I nix stuff that might make the blog...Sorry, Peter; I nix stuff that might make the blog get hit by content filters unless there's exceptionally good reason.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-61887844462265617642012-03-21T16:45:55.016+13:002012-03-21T16:45:55.016+13:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.peterquixotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873112816453062068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-46755812907192355802012-03-21T08:08:09.190+13:002012-03-21T08:08:09.190+13:00@Luis You beat me to it. I was going to make the s...@Luis You beat me to it. I was going to make the same comment re the Mercedes analogy. As sad as this makes me seem I was mulling over how to word it in bed last night :)Latsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-2147056226828964392012-03-20T19:18:57.263+13:002012-03-20T19:18:57.263+13:00I'll add the survey this year. I do do a week ...I'll add the survey this year. I do do a week on copyright, and hitting the torrents seems ubiquitous...Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-83477475539809754542012-03-20T19:07:17.903+13:002012-03-20T19:07:17.903+13:00Eric,
Have you ever asked your students about the...Eric,<br /><br />Have you ever asked your students about their music and movie purchases? Out of curiosity I do that every year, and in 2012 roughly 80% of them do not pay for what they read/watch. I prefer to purchase books and music, but I often find myself in the <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones" rel="nofollow">I tried to watch The Game of Thrones...</a> situation. I can and want to pay, but the media is unavailable; a bit like you trying to watch Weird Al videos in NZ. <br /><br />This makes me wonder if media companies are really in to self-destruction: if the incentives align towards dodgy download for people like us (willing to pay), what's left for our students?<br /><br />@Duncan I don't buy the Mercedes analogy, if I drive off with the car the dealer is left with nothing. If I download/copy a file the file is still there.<br /><br />(Same disclaimer as Eric: not advocating anything yada yada yada)Luishttp://quantumforest.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-48724228411372685632012-03-20T16:37:28.069+13:002012-03-20T16:37:28.069+13:00@Duncan: I set things up to address the case that ...@Duncan: I set things up to address the case that is most clearly economically troublesome. If somebody who never would have bought decides to download, there is no economic loss. If somebody who couldn't legally access the product decides to download, results are ambiguous. <br /><br />And I don't disagree that folks will go for ex post justifications either.<br /><br />But I do want to know where my sophists go wrong.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-80050718241204339822012-03-20T16:29:33.765+13:002012-03-20T16:29:33.765+13:00@Duncan I agree that the courts wouldn't be s...@Duncan I agree that the courts wouldn't be sympathetic to these arguments.Latsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-64920108862817987962012-03-20T16:11:28.222+13:002012-03-20T16:11:28.222+13:00Whilst I agree that the copyright loss stats are w...Whilst I agree that the copyright loss stats are well overstated (I seem to remember there was a report a few years ago where it appeared that the cost of music piracy in NZ was calculated simply from the total number of blank CD-Rs sold) I'm not so sure I agree with the whole "I only pirate stuff that I would never buy so that makes it ok" argument.<br /><br />I go for the simpler 'if people can get something at little (perceived) cost/risk to themselves they will and then they'll rationalise it to themselves so that they feel better' argument. <br /><br />I also haven't yet seen the 'it's too expensive so I can nick it' argument going down well in the courts recently. However I must go and try that approach with the local Mercedes dealer sometime.Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-33577699515322750822012-03-20T09:55:58.936+13:002012-03-20T09:55:58.936+13:00There was an excellent TED takedown of copyright s...There was an <a href="http://t.co/8FdYf9H6" rel="nofollow">excellent TED takedown of copyright stats...</a>Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-49387419582510869202012-03-20T08:57:17.662+13:002012-03-20T08:57:17.662+13:00The record companies, movie studios, etc. would ha...The record companies, movie studios, etc. would have us believe that every case of downloading or copying of copyrighted material is lost revenue for them. I'm not convinced that this is the case.<br /><br />Lets place ourselves in a bar of our choosing, one with an extensive menu of beers available to try. If said bar allowed for free tastings of its entire range I would be inclined to try most of the beers on tap. However if I am forced to spend my (mostly) hard-earned dollars in order to sample each beer I am going to spend said dollars on a style of beer I am likely to enjoy, in my case pilsners, pale ales, and other lager-ish styles, with the occasional brown ale thrown into the mix. But I'm unlikely to spend money to sample stouts and similarly dark beers because I tend not to enjoy that style as much. Similarly the $2 for tastings at the recent beer festival here in Chch was awesome, it allowed me to try beers I would ordinarily not have bought, although the range was so extensive so I focused a lot on ciders and lagers anyway. There simply wasn't time to try everything, but money wasn't the binding constraint.<br /><br />If we now return ourselves to the real world, where beer isn't free and neither is music, there are no doubt plenty of people who have extensive collections of "free" music who would only have purchased a fraction of that (I estimate 10%, but this is purely a guess) had they been forced to pay retail prices. This suggests two things to me:<br />1) that record companies and the like are greatly over-estimating the loss to them from the illegal download of music, etc.<br />2) that retail prices for music, etc. are too high, and that piracy is the inevitable result of this.<br />Somebody has probably researched this to try to estimate the actual vs claimed loss, so no doubt there are figures out there, but I'm too bone lazy to go looking :)Latsnoreply@blogger.com