tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post2652552335815659335..comments2024-03-28T09:22:36.967+13:00Comments on Offsetting Behaviour: Cats: internalising the externalityEric Cramptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-33328179408321874862013-01-31T15:48:04.912+13:002013-01-31T15:48:04.912+13:00We adopted a very fat declawed cat when I was youn...We adopted a very fat declawed cat when I was young. Seemed a very happy animal and would pick fights with the fully clawed barnyard cats.Eric Cramptonhttp://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-28722353800843847142013-01-31T15:04:28.167+13:002013-01-31T15:04:28.167+13:00From what I have heard of declawing, I would unamb...From what I have heard of declawing, I would unambiguously choose not being born at all to being born as a cat that was to be declawed. Their claws are too important to their sense of security, knowing that they can run up a tree or defend themselves if a dog approaches. My understanding is that declawed cats turn into nervous wrecks. <br /><br />(Full disclosure, I do and will continue to own neutered cats with their claws intact!)Seamus Hogannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-84961328922471202792013-01-31T11:26:47.296+13:002013-01-31T11:26:47.296+13:00I understand, I just have difficulty with the impo...I understand, I just have difficulty with the imposition of any policy. I'm an anarcho-capitalist, and I think most public policy is not implemented for the common good, and even then, it is unnecessary.FactsWillOutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-51942524607584912312013-01-31T11:04:32.442+13:002013-01-31T11:04:32.442+13:00You are wasting too much of your life thinking abo...You are wasting too much of your life thinking about Gareth Morgan....boristhefrognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-4088583495730032442013-01-31T11:03:05.729+13:002013-01-31T11:03:05.729+13:00NZ wildlife differs considerably from that in othe...NZ wildlife differs considerably from that in other places. Some of our species seem to be trying to make themselves extinct. Have you seen the kakapo? Ridiculous animal that seems most interested in mating with Stephen Fry's head.Eric Cramptonhttp://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-23358372526653635442013-01-31T11:01:21.510+13:002013-01-31T11:01:21.510+13:00Please go back and read my prior posts on the topi...Please go back and read my prior posts on the topic. I have an awfully hard time seeing what I have proposed that is coercive or cruel here. I've suggested that Morgan is right that cats impose harms on other wildlife, and that IF you wanted to count animals' utility directly, there are certain policy consequences that flow from that position that differ from Morgan's IF we stick within a broadly utilitarian setup. The current post is also in that framework: ASSUMING you count the utility losses among the victims of cats and the cat's utility from hunting AND IF you from that conclude we need to do something to reduce the harms done by cats, THEN you might prefer allowing declawing to banning cats.<br /><br /><br /><br />I'm trying to work in wertfreiheit here: given the other person's stated objectives and reasonable assumptions about the underlying welfare function, what recommendations follow? That's different from my endorsing any of those recommendations - it's a consistency check.<br /><br /><br />If I told you that the best way to get to Invercargill were some route, that's not me telling you to go to Invercargill. It's me saying "If you want to go to Invercargill...".Eric Cramptonhttp://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-85372378386050020082013-01-31T09:00:20.962+13:002013-01-31T09:00:20.962+13:00Just because someone else is more coercive or crue...Just because someone else is more coercive or cruel doesn't change the point I made.FactsWillOutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-21282153204206821112013-01-31T08:48:54.598+13:002013-01-31T08:48:54.598+13:00Gareth Morgan proposed banning cats. I wondered wh...Gareth Morgan proposed banning cats. I wondered whether allowing cats to be declawed might be less coercive. Your comment really is a bit nuts.Eric Cramptonhttp://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-8145544109849404242013-01-31T08:41:40.890+13:002013-01-31T08:41:40.890+13:00Your "analysis" is merely a rationalizat...Your "analysis" is merely a rationalization for cruelty. <br /><br />"Torment" birds indeed. Cats eat birds and rodents. <br /><br />Go behind your veil and think of a world where:<br /><br />1. Vegetarianism is enforced.<br /><br />2. There are no humans.<br /><br /><br />3....etc...<br /><br />....... <br /><br />You use abstractions as excuses to coerce, and otherwise dictate "correct" behavior.FactsWillOutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-43496322823721750402013-01-31T08:30:52.737+13:002013-01-31T08:30:52.737+13:00Eric,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/articl...Eric,<br /><br />http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10862254<br /><br />#1 article on the Herald this AM - where I come from the wildlife fights back, lost plenty of cats to snakes, pretty sure de-clawing would have seen them knocked out of the fight a bit quicker.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nZ5A3uGVE4Dennisnoreply@blogger.com