tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post5433480254053107643..comments2024-03-28T09:22:36.967+13:00Comments on Offsetting Behaviour: Minimum wage nonsenseEric Cramptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-23209148820020904142011-11-17T18:16:49.193+13:002011-11-17T18:16:49.193+13:00Eric is exactly right, but no one is thinking &quo...Eric is exactly right, but no one is thinking "outside the box" Maybe there is another way to live without money "gasp". <br /><br />Whose ever wondered why you only get to choose between John Key and Phill Goff. I don't remember having an election to make them candidates. I don't remember voting on the policies they chose to make. <br /><br />How much liberty do people lose before they realize the truth that's all around them. <br />We are wage slaves the minimum wage the lower middle class the upper middle class we are all part of the wage machine that makes banks and corporations and governments ultra wealthy. <br /><br />The politicians don't have that much difference in their ideas, they still work under the principle that resources like food, water, electricity. Behaving like its scarce and so they manage money to manage resources. This is a game we all play together called the monetary system.<br /><br />Neither government proposes a plausible idea to help the New Nealand economy like keeping more exports here so that its people can benefit of more food and lowered food prices.<br /><br />Increasing more use of geothermal wind tidal and wave energy all abundant renewable and clean energy sources, so its people can benefit of free electricity. Lets help the people even more by producing cars that run on all of New Zealand's free electricity. <br /><br />Lets help social infrastructure and increase funding on things like schools and medical facilities in small communities.<br /><br />"oh this will cost to much" Not if you took the price tag of planetary resources and instead of using money to move things around you use science and logic to efficiently and effectively distribute global resources. <br /><br />I can't stress this point its not the free market and governments and banks and everyone whom lives to acquire wealth at the expensive of human well being. They are expected by products by the monetary system at its foundation core.<br />incentive scarcity and reward for creativity.<br />But its at war with itself with the cheap and efficient Profitization that comes with automation of labor.<br />It did it in 1929 with the great depression industrialization killed the employment rate and purchasing power went down.<br />It's only a matter of time before it happens to us but rather than fight it with the monetary system we embrace it and let our technology take care of us. <br /><br />Governments don't want the system the institution of money to change. They benefit of the current system. They take home the big pay checks. They own hospitals, they own our health car and what is profit? inefficiency, scarcity they profit when people are sick. <br /><br />Why would they want to find a cure of cancer? Imagine if they did, all the doctors whom specialized in treating cancer, chemo-therapy, surgery. Thousands would lose jobs hospitals will lose trillions of dollars in revenue if cancer could be easily cured. When you think about that. Do you think the monetary system and hence modern economics have human health in their interest?<br /><br />They don't want people to have a prosperous life with the necessities given to you. One where you won't be forced into a job somewhere to get your little slot in the world.<br />They want to keep you working paying your taxes paying your bills paying your debt so that they can say they have a healthy economy.<br /><br />Even though the police get more funding the crime fluctuates the prison populations swell all because people aren't getting properly looked after they get given so little money and they get asked to come from the bottom and aspire to be rich. Work hard study hard well I'm a realist. I know no matter how hard you work or everyone around you worked only one person will get that job the other 99 won't. <br /><br />look at lotto adds homeless man given lotto ticket and suddenly he lives the big dream living expensive and the slogan "It could all change in an instant". What could all change the job you hate? the debt that crushes you? Fight with me to break the monetary system and its slavery.Ninety Ninehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16315996684469078303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-82122950651834353722011-11-12T20:18:40.867+13:002011-11-12T20:18:40.867+13:00Anonymous, its only the media who calls a sort opi...Anonymous, its only the media who calls a sort opinion in a letter a Treasury report ;)<br /><br />http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/5953991/National-refutes-minimum-wage-claim<br /><br />Fearless, you forgot to add the bit about the larger number of people out of work struggling to afford food for their family - but I suppose when you dogmatically believe in something its easy to ignore the costs ;)Matt Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05615455113796090765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-10264511132808433032011-11-12T20:10:40.688+13:002011-11-12T20:10:40.688+13:00They're Treasury's comments in the RIS and...They're Treasury's comments in the RIS and the Cabinet Papers.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-72491001278002324732011-11-12T17:38:05.886+13:002011-11-12T17:38:05.886+13:00The reports you describe as "Treasury Reports...The reports you describe as "Treasury Reports" are in fact reports prepared by the “Department of Labour”, not Treasury. Why do you refer to them as Treasury when they are not?<br /><br />Lindsay CarswellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-78769900472983760782011-11-12T17:11:12.458+13:002011-11-12T17:11:12.458+13:00@fearless: Whatever you hope to achieve by that is...@fearless: Whatever you hope to achieve by that is better achieved by wage subsidies paid out of general tax revenues than by minimum wage hikes that push a lot of people from work into poverty.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-40424300080063217192011-11-12T16:05:40.047+13:002011-11-12T16:05:40.047+13:00"So why not legislate for everyone to receive..."So why not legislate for everyone to receive a minimum of $20 per hour?"<br /><br />Indeed. Fewer Audis in the carpark, and better food for our kids. Makes sense to me.fearlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-88845040040460934782011-11-12T10:11:14.006+13:002011-11-12T10:11:14.006+13:00@Clarence: Burton doesn't say anything of the ...@Clarence: Burton doesn't say anything of the sort. Burton says that evidence from the youth minimum wage changes in the early 2000s suggests we shouldn't jump too quickly to blame more recent changes for high current youth unemployment. That's it. Maybe he also believes that minimum wages have no effect in general (I don't know him, and he doesn't write on it), but if he does, that isn't Treasury's official position.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-72334060773446937232011-11-12T01:06:47.778+13:002011-11-12T01:06:47.778+13:00Gower's major argument is that $13.50 per hour...Gower's major argument is that $13.50 per hour is not enough to live on. Right, and nor is $15 or $16 per hour, especially if living in Auckland Central. So why not legislate for everyone to receive a minimum of $20 per hour? <br /><br />TV3 can certainly see no downside in jacking up the number to any level that might prove useful. The higher the number, the higher the buying-power, and we'll all benefit from a trickle-up effect. <br /><br />What's much more astonishing is that Mr Burton of Treasury apparently holds the same opinion!Clarence Kaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-35680896730492115232011-11-11T15:21:26.156+13:002011-11-11T15:21:26.156+13:00... that's 'could only be' ...... that's 'could only be' ...Mark Hubbardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-37676625248411150792011-11-11T15:20:05.075+13:002011-11-11T15:20:05.075+13:00Well, this is the same journalist who I tweeted th...Well, this is the same journalist who I tweeted the following to:<br /><br /><i>Why did you say on TV3 Firstline that Green's plan to set up Government Kiwisaver provider was a good one? It's not.</i><br /><br />He also said he was surprised Labour and National hadn't thought of it. He can't have read National's mission statement, albeit limited government assigned to National is laughable.<br /><br />Anyway, he tweeted back:<br /><br /><i>Hey there... Why not?</i><br /><br />To which my only reply in 140 characters could be:<br /><br /><i>Because liberty (remember that) exists on limited government not the State running every fucking thing. Tyranny 101.</i><br /><br />If you have to editorialise into what is supposed to be straight reportage, know what you're talking about ...Mark Hubbard / Tribelesshttp://www.solopassion.com/blog/966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-50176970552414834402011-11-11T14:59:42.767+13:002011-11-11T14:59:42.767+13:00finally ... someone that speaks some sense. can yo...finally ... someone that speaks some sense. can you please try and get that across to the dumbasses at The Standard, tho i do believe that they may be beyond help.Andrew Scobiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17533702862870760210noreply@blogger.com