tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post7836571291082430014..comments2024-03-28T09:22:36.967+13:00Comments on Offsetting Behaviour: Kyoto obligationsEric Cramptonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-63787460466552355412010-09-29T16:28:27.673+13:002010-09-29T16:28:27.673+13:00@Eric: Testing my faith in the government to be t...@Eric: Testing my faith in the government to be transparent - good point ;)<br /><br />Given current policy objectives I would gladly pay up to 80c on the contract (although I probably wouldn't want too much exposure) - is there one up? <br /><br />If the government has the intention of reneging they should say - but as long as that isn't the intention they should introduce the best policy for their given intent right.Matt Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05615455113796090765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-51659818377732371232010-09-23T08:57:09.671+12:002010-09-23T08:57:09.671+12:00@Matt: What would you pay for a contract paying $1...@Matt: What would you pay for a contract paying $1 if NZ pays it's Kyoto bill in 2012?<br /><br />@Cam: That's why we have to give away the tech without patent. You have to make it cheaper for people to choose low-carbon tech.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-15051901859532846432010-09-22T23:05:45.446+12:002010-09-22T23:05:45.446+12:00The other issue is that if everyone is just ignori...The other issue is that if everyone is just ignoring Kyoto, or a future agreement, how will spending money on ag R and D help anyone? Without binding targets or a carbon price, the new technologies will still raise costs of production no?Camhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950362224493010407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-22435691630062745652010-09-22T21:20:14.520+12:002010-09-22T21:20:14.520+12:00Yar, if politicians want to go to the public and s...Yar, if politicians want to go to the public and say we are reneging on our Kyoto obligations then that is fine - not ETS is needed.<br /><br />However, I'm against saying we shouldn't have an ETS when current policy states that we are committed to meeting our obligation ;)Matt Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05615455113796090765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-89166496817952429632010-09-22T13:46:41.936+12:002010-09-22T13:46:41.936+12:00@Cam: I'm less worried about appearances, sinc...@Cam: I'm less worried about appearances, since I think they're vastly overblown, but am worried more about actually implementing policies likely to give best bang for the buck. Ag R&D seems the best way for us to do good.<br /><br />@John: First best if there were thick markets in NZ would be for the govt to provide prizes for scientific achievements in this area so long as they were released to the Commons. The prize compensates the innovator for what he could have earned via patent and more, and ensures that the tech gets broadest possible distribution.<br /><br />But there aren't thick markets for that kind of R&D work here, so I think it would have to have some grant elements to it.Eric Cramptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831696523324469713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-15132828499887245552010-09-22T12:32:17.807+12:002010-09-22T12:32:17.807+12:00I think we should drop the image completely and ju...I think we should drop the image completely and just focus on R&D agri biotech. Though personally I object to the government funding it on principle, I can certainly live with that as opposed to the ETSJohnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2830084253401570472.post-63473761024650987732010-09-22T12:06:17.710+12:002010-09-22T12:06:17.710+12:00How much is NZ's green image worth? OR How muc...How much is NZ's green image worth? OR How much would we lose if our reality fails to catch up to our image and people notice? What is this cost compared to keeping up with Kyoto? My feeling is that if we opt out of KP targets, we better damn well do something as you suggest in other areas (to live up to our image or at least keep up appearances)Camhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950362224493010407noreply@blogger.com